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Abatron
« on: Aug 14, 2007, 04:47 PM »
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #1 on: Aug 14, 2007, 08:37 PM »
You obviously can attest to its working.  I will put this in my "memory  banks" for future projects.  I have a 10 foot x 2 foot stainless steel food preparation table that I am really wanting to inlet into a workshop so I can do some wood restoration.  The table was a throw-away from a kitchen at the local Kmart.  Given the time you can waste in a failed restoration, I doubt that pricey would be a problem if the job could be done right the first time.  By the way, where is Norm Abrams now?  I can't find the wood "guru" on my channel guide.

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #2 on: Aug 15, 2007, 02:30 PM »
So what does it do in two parts?  Can you combine them for one part?

I just refilled the hole in the tulip tree with Great Stuff, since Scuzzy recommended that for face and hands.  I then spray painted it flat black, again.  I used that varnish you recommended on the steps inside, and probably outta go over that again.  I've got an old china cabinet that's blondish, with a varnish or shellac.  I wouldn't mind something to rejuvenate that, but I hate stripping finishes.

Is there anything go as a restorative or coloring for (cheap brown) wood paneling?  It's sorta in a medium brown walnut type tone, and dinged.  I wouldn't mind something that would either darken or lighten it, but keep the grain.  So far only advice I've found is to paint it, which would be different but not preferable. 

Also, while we're fixing my house, is there anything one can do to resurface or refinish a formica type countertop WITHOUT ripping it all off and putting on a new one..?  Any spray or applyable coating that could just go over what's there for a new surface? 

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #3 on: Aug 15, 2007, 02:57 PM »
Also, while we're fixing my house, is there anything one can do to resurface or refinish a formica type countertop WITHOUT ripping it all off and putting on a new one..?  Any spray or applyable coating that could just go over what's there for a new surface? 
I guess you could do like my wife's redneck relative would do and paint it.  Of course, this is the guy who also fixes holes in his roof by nailing sheets of inner tube rubber over them.  I take that back; he did not bother to nail them down.  I did that for him.  That is why when I heard that his roof was leaking again and that his tax refund was in, I told him to give me the refund, and I would buy and install a new steel roof for him at no charge.  I just barely got it purchased before he found something else to spend the refund on.

He has a solution for counters too, mmm, on the other hand, better forget it. 

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #4 on: Aug 15, 2007, 03:22 PM »
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #5 on: Aug 15, 2007, 05:13 PM »
Seriously, I would make no attempt to cover formica with anything.  It is difficult enough to lay down on bare wood and requires a bit of white rubber mallet tapping to get it to stick well.  That is done once the contact cement is at the correct curing point of no-sticky-to-hands but still soft.  Most people (I am included) rush projects and end up with something less than what they had hoped to get.  If a weekend project must be done in a rush, forget it and go fishing.  You will just make a mess.  I am finally learning that I should never "try to get something finished."  I need to just work on it until it is finished with no time limits. 

I was not kidding about my wife's relative.  He has a heart as big as his house, but he has absolutely no sense about building anything.  He put tar paper down under a brand new vinyl floor this year.  You guessed it, gone, gone.
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #6 on: Aug 15, 2007, 05:20 PM »
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Re: Abatron
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #8 on: Aug 15, 2007, 05:50 PM »
Actually I did not mean to go right on top of the formica with new formica, but if the underlayment is in good shape the old formica can be removed and new put down on the old surface. Can be done, but may not be worth the effort.

There are some places that advertise a spary on coating that can go over formica countertops, I have no experience with that however.

Earlier this year one of my clients had some of his bathroom fixture refinished and the guy did a great job, they looked like new afterwards. So, perhaps they can do the same with countertops.
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #9 on: Aug 16, 2007, 04:49 AM »
Look, I just wanted a quick and easy way to cover up this ugly 40-something white dingy formica counter top... not add a dang public restroom to my kitchen, let alone two of them.

I don't know what tileset is, but I was considering a thin layer of Sakrete to cover it all.  Or a good thick contac paper.  I suppose I could just buy a bunch of cutting boards at Bed Bath and Beyonce and glue them on, too, although I bet I'll have to cut some to fit.

I'm thinking it's probably pretty hard to cut a cutting board.. you'd think it'd be easy.

I'm getting pretty proficient with Great Stuff, at least with wasting cans of it, but Scuzzy's right about it being hard to spread even if you use all your fingers...  Maybe if I go with a ripple effect it could cover a counter.  I did the floor in there ok, but regular tile is tougher to work with than vinyl tile.  I'm not sure floor tile would be what I should use.  Although, I guess it would mean my floor is clean enough to eat off of, if it was on the countertop.

Ace; I think Lionel Ritchie put that on his ceiling.
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #10 on: Aug 16, 2007, 06:59 AM »
In that case,

1)  Get a sheet of Formica or Wilsonart,
2)  Sand the old Formica surface to rough it up a bit, and wipe off the dust with a slightly damp rag.
3)  Get a tube of Liquid Nails ( I prefer that one because of the very attractive lady on the front of the tube  ;D ).
4)  Apply to the counter surface.
5)  Lay the piece of laminate on the surface immediately, and immediately tap all over with a white rubber mallet.
6)  Remove the laminate after the mallet has spread the glue around, and lay the laminate somewhere with the glue side up and away from your cat.
7)  Let the stuff set for about 15 to 20 minutes until the glue is no longer tacky ( to the touch; is any glue ever attractive?).
8.) Align the laminate very carefully before laying it on the counter (You can put a sheet of clean plastic dropcloth on the countertop and then pull it back
     as the laminate is put in place from one end to the other), and then set again with the mallet.
9)  Get some attractive wood molding and run it along the edge of counter to make people think that you know what you are doing, mitering the joints
     well with a cheap Stanley miter box and saw.
10) You can align the molding so that it is flush with the top of the laminate or do it Jeb Clampett style and give it a pool table effect if the counter is
      open on all sides.  Seriously, that is what I did with a room divider on the back side to keep things from falling behind the couch
11) Attach the molding with long brads that you can countersink lightly with a nailset, and then fill the
     holes with some attractive bubblegum.   :o  (OK, just wanted to be sure you were not asleep)  You could also apply the liquid nails to the back of the
     molding first, a good idea because things tend to catch on the edge and pull the molding away.

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #11 on: Aug 17, 2007, 04:03 AM »
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #12 on: Aug 17, 2007, 04:32 AM »
You know, there are days I just hate coming here because I just wind up feeling stupid.  I probably couldn't even spell post correctly.

It's bad enough with computers, but now it's spread into world trade and deficits and Chinese Chery Chevys and home construction.  Especially when you guys use technical jargon, like "brad" and "miter" and "Stanley" and "dropcloth."  I hardly know what you're referring to, most of the time.

Alright; so if I'm reading this right the main thing I need to get is a white rubber mallet.  I just bet I'll head to Home Despot and all they'll have is black or blue or cream colored ones...  And then more of the stupid stuff already on the dang counter, or sheets of steel.  I had enough trouble putting a sliding patio screen door in the back of a Taurus; I can imagine what a steel sheet is going to do back there.  I'll never get the creases and dents out of that thing.

I did glue wood moulding down in the bathroom, so I think I'll do fine with the trim part of the rest of the job I can't handle.  I'm glad I don't have a stupid cat, at least.  That oughta make #5 go easier.  And there's no couch in the kitchen, any more than there are restrooms.  I tell ya, you guys must have kitchens that are a lot different in design than mine is.

I don't have a "hole saw" either, and don't know what that is.  I've got a sorta narrow saw I use to gouge out the cutouts on the back of the stereo stand, so I can get wires through easier.  But there isn't a hole in it.  I've also got handle-less files and rusted saws.  Some chisels.  An awl.  Some oil.  I bet in the Carolinas those last two sounded pretty much the same.

I don't even chew gum, let alone bubblegum. 

Ace; I wonder how long you have to heat a nail until it melts.  And then how do you pour the things?  I better find the oven mitts, too, I guess.
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #13 on: Aug 17, 2007, 05:46 AM »
Actually it sounds more like "earl." Except when used with "you;" then it's yall.

If you really want to resurface the counters, try fiberglass.  You can spread it easily enough, you can even reinforce it with cloth, so when you stand on the counter to reach the beer mugs on top of the cabinets....

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #14 on: Aug 17, 2007, 06:56 AM »
You guys must have no problem pronouncing "URL" then.

Geez; who has the time for a mug.  Criminy, they come in glass... D'uh. That's why I don't buy it in cans.

I've smelled fiberglass, and it's not that pleasant.  Plus it itches, from I've heard.  I sure don't want some smelly itchy countertop. 

Ace; like I have a ladder in there, along with a couch and public restroom, to be able to get up on the stupid thing. 
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #15 on: Aug 21, 2007, 02:54 PM »
I recently bought another can of Great Stuff (I don't learn my lessons very well) from my local Wal-Mart. This time I got the one for "big gaps".

Now, I know that Ace probably thinks that I bought it to fill the gap in my shoes, but just like always, he's wrong. Instead I figured that it would be a great way to take care of that big gap between my dog's teeth. Geez, what a mistake that was. That Great Stuff big gap filler is potent enough to seal the Royal Gorge with just one can.

On the plus side it stopped the dog from barking for a few days. On the other side he made some interesting "nuggets". The constant whining through his nose got to be a little irritating, although he did lose some weight.

I wonder if will fix flat tires. Heck, maybe it can replace the tire all together if I just spray it around the bare rim.

Scuzzy; Why did you install a patio door on your Taurus? And now you want to put a public restroom in it?
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Re: Abatron
« Reply #16 on: Aug 21, 2007, 06:17 PM »
Why'd you name your dog "George"?  What is it with you.. your cat is Alex, and your dog is George.  Criminy, what's your daughter's name, Fido? 

I can see doing that trick with whipped cream, but not Great stuff....  It's not exactly the same as a snack.  Although I'm sure it is filling. 

Ok; in Indiana, you put a patio door on the car so when you're parked in the garage you can set up the lawn chairs in there and have a nice porch.  It's what we do.

I didn't think you put it in your shoes, so there.  I could see putting it in your hat...  And why'd you go to WalMart?  Don't you know they pulled the dog bisquits off the shelf?  I wouldn't trust them with pet snacks.  Actually, when I go to WalMart I'm reminded of that sleazy neighborhood from Total Recall.  And that's just the parking lot.

Really, I don't go there.  Or Cancun, during a hurricane. 

Ace; "Stuff McNuggets"; the snack that won't leave you hungry.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 22, 2007, 03:26 AM »
No, Scuzzy's daughter is not named Fido.  Fido is down here in Deliverance, thank goodness.  He is pretty effective at redneck control.  Generally they get one look at the spiked collar and two inch teeth and forget what their problem with this Yankee was.

Speaking of patio doors and cars, I have a neighbor that replaced their garage door with a large screen, including a patio door, so the bugs don't bother them while they watch TV. Last weekend they had an oyster roast in the garage; so many cars parked on the front lawn you couldn't see the grass.

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Re: Abatron
« Reply #18 on: Aug 23, 2007, 04:41 AM »
Alright; which was it.  Did they roast them, or boil them?  We fry oysters on occasion, but I can't remember many other ways I've attempted them.  Oh, in RHODE ISLAND we did get "Little Necks" which were oysters that were baked and had bacon and cheese on them.  They were tasty, in spite of the oysters underneath.

You'd think cooking seafood in water wouldn't bother them, at least for awhile.  "Hey, this is pretty nice... whoa, wait a minute.."

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« Reply #19 on: Aug 23, 2007, 08:31 AM »
"Oyster roast" is a misnomer actually.  Oysters are boiled until the shell opens, then eaten warm.  Don't ask me then why it's called a roast. And the rednecks use the empty shells to pave the driveway.

And BTW, "little necks" are small, hard shell clams, not oysters.  The dish you describe is called "clams casino."  Very tasty almost as good as raw, on the half-shell.

Oysters, in Deliverance, are very popular and abundant.  Clams, which I prefer, are not available, at all.
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 23, 2007, 09:16 AM »
Quahog.

No.. I didn't mean you, personally.  I meant as in "clams."  I suppose calling a clam an oyster, and then confusing baking and boiling gave me an even bigger misnomer.

That'd be kinda funny if a lady had the last name of Nomer, and introduced herself as Miss Nomer.  Kinda.

I've had some half-baked ideas, but not half shelled.  You know, the lousiest dang seafood anything I ever had was in Norfolk.  We got soft shelled crabs.  Criminy, it was right up there with Plymouth Rock and pandas as a lousy idea poorly presented.  Stupid bits of crab shell in this pudding/goo of whatever.  Picking away at it, to no end or satisfaction.  No meat, no taste, no reason.  We wound up at Wendy's, after "dinner."

Why anyone would want to be "soft shelled" is beyond me... That's like asking for a "bullet-resistant vest." 

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